21crosscheck21 (July 29, 2008 at 5:09 pm)

The question I asked you about being "in" Christ was more a rhetorical question. I will pray that you will spend some time thinking about it. Only you know the answer.

21crosscheck21 (July 29, 2008 at 5:06 pm)

Love, that is the same info you gave me before and I have answered it for you already. The other translations you cite are irrelevant, as we do not test translations by other translations. The bottom line is this: Does the word appear in the Greek---yes it does. Did the Wt properly translate the sentence---no they did not or they would have included the word "now" and not added to Gods word with the word "union."

lovelough (July 29, 2008 at 4:17 pm)

I gave you quite comprehensive answer already. So your new questions would never end i see... :)

21crosscheck21 (July 29, 2008 at 2:45 pm)

Love, the question I have for you is this: Are you "in" Christ Jesus (not in "union" with as the word union is not in the Greek text) Do you know right "NOW" that your condemnation has been removed?

lovelough (July 29, 2008 at 12:41 pm)

21crosscheck21 - REGARDING ROMANS 8:1 Therefore those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation. = There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. = Therefore those in union with Christ Jesus now have no condemnation. = Therefore those now in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation. = Therefore those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation now. = Thus, condemnation will never come to those who are in Christ Jesus,

lovelough (July 29, 2008 at 12:39 pm)

,(JB) = For this cause those who are in Christ Jesus will not be judged as sinners (BBE) = If you belong to Christ Jesus you won't be punished.(CEV) = So those who are believers in Christ Jesus can no longer be condemed (GW)

lovelough (July 29, 2008 at 12:39 pm)

have = have now have = now have have = have presently have = presently have have now = now have have presently = presently have have presently = now have "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." DOES NOT CONTRADICT, "Therefore those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation."

riciard55 (June 30, 2008 at 6:56 am)

lets face it we came from No where and idenity came about first miricle and it seems an infinite amount of beings can appear from nowhere then that identity disapears into no where again but in between it needs to believe because identity cannot see itself as not to be. The act of believing is part of our make up. Think about it why are people trying to interpret the Bible surely God all knowing would ensure the correct interpretation of his own word

evidence201 (June 9, 2008 at 1:35 am)

Thanks for yours BibleBill1. To anyone else that thinks this video has merit: Why did at least 15 other translations, after studying the John 14:14 Greek, also decide not to include "me"?

BibleBill1 (June 9, 2008 at 1:19 am)

I told you I would go to the origianl Greek manuscripts as the SOURCE for translations. That's the same concept I stress with JW's regarding their Trinity Booklet. The ORIGINAL Early Church Fathers writings defended the Trinity. The "Trinity" booklet quotes a Liberal Unitarian (Alvin Lamson)in "The Church Of The First 3 Centuries" who quotes the ECF's out of context as support. The original ECF's = manuscript Alvins book = translation Trinity Booklet = corrupted by mistranslations.