darkside1527 (August 20, 2008 at 10:09 pm)

I'd like to know

em745aa (August 20, 2008 at 7:24 pm)

-"All these technologies already exists in other planes" Maybe, but do they ALL exist in a single airframe, like the F-22? -"Its good, but not the best plane in the world." Oh! Don't hold us in suspense! Pray tell, which current fighter is, according to you, better than the F-22?

mazafak3r (August 20, 2008 at 7:02 pm)

No, I'm trying to say there is nothing incredible in F-22, exept it's cost. All these technologies already exists in other planes, and not only in Russians or US. And all this "prays-on-kneels" on F-22 is bullshit. Its good, but not the best plane in the world.

mobius5759 (August 20, 2008 at 5:18 pm)

I have to agree in favor of the Raptor. What separates the Su from the Raptor is first-strike capability. The Su, though extreamly manuverable, simply doesn't have as sophisticated targeting system that the F-22 does. Now if it was head to head dog fight, its a coin toss, but then again, how do you think the Su is capable of such manuvers? Simple; the fact that it has very little armor.

darkside1527 (August 20, 2008 at 5:01 am)

How can a Sukhoi shoot down a plane it cant see? Its Phsically impossible. You lose, Americas plane is better. The SU whould be down before he knew what was going on

Raptor03042 (August 20, 2008 at 2:06 am)

Sukhoi planes are basically good at tumbling through the air. Which, in theory, might give them an advantage in the use of their guns. But, in actuality, a F-22 would shoot a Su plane out of the sky with a missile long before the Su had a chance to use its guns. That's just the way it is. Deal with it.

Raptor03042 (August 20, 2008 at 2:04 am)

What's this? Someone is trying to start up the old Sukhoi argument yet again? I'll explain it to you simply so I don't confuse you. Sukhoi planes are inferior to F-22s in every way, except that they excel at certain types maneuverability. The types of maneuverability that they excel at are noteworthy, but aren't as useful in today's combat setting. Sukhoi planes can't change speed and direction or clime as quickly as F-22s can.

em745aa (August 20, 2008 at 1:18 am)

Hey jagatjeet83, show me a video of an SU matching the HIGH-SPEED pitch and turn rates the F-22 is demonstrating here: LP4eowaEdKc jo65qpEdOl8 CdFOF9RDNWY (4:22-4:34) Q1H1vN2tnPM (5:33) k6JHIPMmjjw (11:20-11:37)

jagatjeet83 (August 20, 2008 at 12:06 am)

Hey what ru trying to prove by posting this video ... I guess u havent seen the SU 30 or SU 37 video ... those planes can beat the raptor on manouverability any day. Besides that the thrust vector technology used by the raptor is a copy of what Russia used in the Sukhois years ago. Raptor looks swanky but a failure if engaged ina dog fight with the Sukhoi.

ikoiv (August 19, 2008 at 7:29 am)

Russia is a fucked up nazi country, former KGB running it. If they really are so big helpers of ossetians then why do the usual russians despise them and beat the shit out of them in russia on the streets and in transport stations.