morten4u (October 12, 2008 at 8:42 am)

...when listening, you have to know who played this before, if the pianist is influenced by Peterson or Ellington, how much the sax player has stolen from Bird or Coltrane etc. And every jazz magazine is filled with recordings of old brilliant guys' recordings, while fusion jazz such as Holdsworth is not mentioned. So, yes, I've gotten off the A-Train and have turned to funk, rock, pop and all the stuff where you can just listen and relate straight away. And where solos are not important.

morten4u (October 12, 2008 at 8:31 am)

To answer the other question, I used to listen and play lots of jazz when I applied for the conservatory in Denmark, and have indeed done my share both Donna Lee, Autumn Leaves and Stella By Starlight - last one both as Real Book and original version. I applaud and respect people that can play this stuff like above, but over the years I realise that I see jazz as being music for your brain rather than for your body / feet / heart.

morten4u (October 12, 2008 at 8:26 am)

Hi there, my point was that even though a 13#11 don't fit into a minor chord, it's quite often used as an ending whenever the pianist feels like he want to sound "out" - hence the comment of being weird just for the sake of it. And hell no, I'd never support computed generated classical music, but don't see the problem in being fond of Daft Punk.

Saxyman14 (October 11, 2008 at 11:31 pm)

Not on a minor chord you haven't. Major, it's fairly common.

AlastairLynn (October 11, 2008 at 11:27 pm)

Actually, I've heard plenty of 9-#11-13 endings - play it on a keyboard, you'll recognise the sound ;)

Saxyman14 (October 11, 2008 at 7:43 pm)

So I guess you are one of the people that support computer generated classical music. But to answer your last question - None, considering you don't have #11 in a minor key. Just Dominant and Major, and even that is depending on the context. You have the natural 11. What do you normally listen to? What is you day-to-day background music?

morten4u (October 11, 2008 at 7:00 pm)

Well, I don't think I'm missing the point, but I guess we won't agree on that. I simply expect the artist to use the remaining 5 percent of jazz to play the originally intended theme, then the pleathora of solos can come in later. Sometimes jazz is "out" just for the sake of being out, and maybe I've just had enough - how many endings haven't you heard where a 13th#11 was thrown in on a minor chord? Thanks for friendly answering, anyway.

Saxyman14 (October 11, 2008 at 3:59 pm)

Because when you play the actual theme note by note, there is no difference between when Keith plays it, versus when anyone else plays it. 95% of jazz is improvisation. If you want music that sounds the same every time it's played, go listen to... well, anything else. Not playing it the same is what makes it haver personality. Also, Brecker and Scofield Could play unison lines all day, but that isn't the sound they're going for. I think you're missing the point.

morten4u (October 11, 2008 at 2:33 pm)

I'd never expect that they'd play it over and over again, yes, it's jazz. But why does jazz imply that you don't bother playing the actual theme note by note? When seeing Herbie Hancock New Standards in 1997 or similar, Brecker and Scofield, worldclass musicians if I ever saw anyone, couldn't bother playing unision themes - had not practiced it. Again, sorry, I know that these guys are the best, and huge respect to them, but it's like they don't care about the TUNE, only their solos.

Saxyman14 (October 10, 2008 at 6:41 am)

They're playing the theme, even though they may not sound like it. All the notes are there, its just the way they are getting around them, it's not very obvious. and the melody was already established, if they just played it over and over, it would get dull.