TintedReasoning (October 11, 2008 at 10:50 pm)

Secondly, I didn't ask you to comment on the emotions the first contrapunctus generally conveys; I asked you to define to me the emotion you feel here and now. Surely the instrument nor performer change within the confines of this one performance....

TintedReasoning (October 11, 2008 at 10:48 pm)

So the emotionist (allow me the liberty to coin the word for the sake of argument) is indeed the performer, or the instrument.Now what part of a modern performer or modern instrument is Baroque? What part of that is Bach?Think long and hard about that one. Romantics used harmony and chromaticism to convey emotion and Bach used it for?Purely musical reasons that make a godly music that is so infinitely perfect that rush of adrenaline we feel compensates for any specific emotion we don't feel,wee?

ComeLeVent (October 11, 2008 at 2:48 pm)

"technical aspects with the Romantics doesn't automatically make it emotionally expressive." His use of harmony and chromaticism anticipates what's to come in music. And that, in combination with the baroque style, is what i appreciate about his music. "Say, what emotion does this piece convey?" No particular emotion, it's rather muli-faceted. Peace may be the bottom line in this recording, but on another instrument with another performer it's different.

TintedReasoning (October 11, 2008 at 1:50 pm)

Reverse the argument and you'd be closer to, what I believe to be,is true. Baroque is intellectual music, its adherence to the Florentine Doctrine of Affection is the cherry on top. Gosh, do I use that phrase derogatorily. Oh, and just because Bach's music share certain technical aspects with the Romantics doesn't automatically make it emotionally expressive.Without the almost subliminal intellectualism in Baroque music it would be, just, blech, horrible.Say, what emotion does this piece convey?

ComeLeVent (October 11, 2008 at 9:50 am)

You don't say ;) He is, for me, both intellectually and emotionally expressive. That's what makes bach bach, the balance between the emotional quality of his rather romantic harmonies and their succession and the intellectual quality of the architecture and the recurring patterns of the lines such as inversions, retrograde, mirroring and the like. But i enjoy the emotional aspect much more and think of the intellectual as the cherry on the sundae, not more.

TintedReasoning (October 11, 2008 at 3:56 am)

Expressive you say? What form of expression? Intellectual expression or emotional expression? There is a distinction you know, so MAKE IT. But I whole heartedly agree, he is a very "intelligent" composer, as was the music he represented and the aesthetic of his day and age he lived by.

TintedReasoning (October 11, 2008 at 3:54 am)

Lyricism is not an expression, nor is influence. You know what I don't get about you people? You tell us Baroque music is expressive, emotionally expressive that is, and if I were to ask you name an emotion corresponding to THIS piece, or any piece, you'd start straining trying to pull a rabbit out of your arse. -sigh-

goldberg72 (October 10, 2008 at 6:30 pm)

come no?

Golmon251 (October 10, 2008 at 12:25 pm)

Do you know that the earliest version of "jesus of man desiring" is not from Bach?

goldberg72 (October 10, 2008 at 5:52 am)

e basta ,ma su internet si trova sempre da littagare?? grande dould ..vaffanculo a chi dice il contrario ..hehehehehe----anche rosalin tureck e' la grande tra le grandi intrerpreti di bach...