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nilnirjone80 (September 3, 2008 at 3:37 am)
Dip, sorry to disagree with you. Jet and Jackie dont use camera speed to make them fast, because they are really very fast. You can watch their films, and you will know the difference. In scenes, Jet moves with with lightning fast moves, while his opponents have normal speeds. If the scene was undercranked, then the opponents of Jet will also have exceptional speed. But this is not the case in most of Jet's movies. His speed is real. But some of Jet's classic movies uses too much wire-work.
bioskope (September 2, 2008 at 7:37 pm)
I see Legend of the Wolf as a Donnie Yen experiment. A failed one no doubt, but I give props to him for wanting to try something totally different from what we were used to seeing.
DiPCreative (September 2, 2008 at 5:18 pm)
all of Donnie's movies are undercranked more or less but the same goes for every single screenfighters' movies (Jet, Jackie, Sammo etc). as an independent film-making follower, I'll easily say that HK MA movies use undercranking all the time and that is has to be done like that to make the fights look "right".
DiPCreative (September 2, 2008 at 5:11 pm)
yeah, there are people who are much better kickers than Donnie but that's shouldn't be taken for granted when you're watching movies (leave everything real for reality, watch a movie for what it is and don't confuse it with reality, we don't know how good these people are because in the end you're only watching their real-life experiences in staged situations which means nothing).
nilnirjone80 (September 2, 2008 at 4:47 pm)
Donnie is great martial artist no doubt, specially he got some impressive stylish kicks, thanks to his taekwando training. In fact if you look at HK cinema history, the best kickers are mainly from Taelwando background be it Hwang Jang lee, Tan tao liang, john liu or casanova wong. If you watch early 80s films you will notice that Donnie use lots of casanova wongs kicks in his movies. But casanova wong's kicks are way better and powerful and faster. Donnie's most works relies on undercranking
DiPCreative (September 2, 2008 at 4:23 pm)
Indeed. He did go overboard in his TV series and in Legend of the Wolf (I love the movie from a film-making's point of view though) but I'm willing to forgive that as he's gotten MUCH better today and still keeps improving. That's the most important thing when you create MA action movies that stands out and is different from previous efforts.
bioskope (September 2, 2008 at 4:15 pm)
I hear ya. In fact I am not against him using wire work or undercranking because I personally feel Donnie is one of those who doesn't go overboard with that. I was just arguing about his on screen skill. But from the recent interviews of Donnie that I've listened to I get the idea that he is not a big fan of wirework and tries to keep the incorporation of such elements to bare minimum in his recent and future projects.
DiPCreative (September 2, 2008 at 3:07 pm)
Most people are exaggerating way too much when it comes to accusing Donnie for undercranking and wire-assisting fight scenes. looking through the decades of HK MA film history, undercranking and wire-assistance actually played a HUGE role in any film-maker and screenfighters' movies in the 70s, 80s and onwards. this double standard just gotta stop, it's just stupid.
bioskope (September 2, 2008 at 1:20 pm)
Yes you're right he does rely on camera work quite a lot to enhance the beauty of his MA on screen but I dont think its all glamour and no substance in the case of Donnie Yen. I mean come on in the movies TC2 and ITLOD4 other than some speeding up there hardly were any other special effects used. But yes he definitely falls behind HJL,Wang In Sik, Kim Won Jin, John Liu, Tan Tao Liang and other such eminent martial artists when it comes to kicking.
abduljabbar99 (September 2, 2008 at 12:46 pm)
hes gd but he cant beat bruce leee no one can |
